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Health and Safety Executive (HSE)
19-04-2010, 05:44 PM
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Missed a call today from HSE (health and Safety executive) with regards to bio diesel manufacturing. Anyone had dealings with these people.

Think my problem lies in the fact that my garage is only some 6-8 foot from my neighbours house, although i would imagine that i am not alone in this one.
I don\'t store methanol in this garage and do have most things safe, including PPE, fire extinguisher, metal locker for Potassium also in airtight plastic container, veg oil stored in HDPE sealed containers. Generally pretty much safe but i wonder what the guidelines are for us home brewers, as to be honest i have not seen any and even the HSE website on biodiesel is pretty vague and they advise against it, but no advice on what we should have


http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/biodiesel.htm

Got a feeling this bloke may want to visit and see my garage. Let you know what happens when i call him tomorrow.

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19-04-2010, 05:46 PM
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I didn\'t think the HSE really had anything to do with doemstic individuals, there only involvement being with commercial operations - Maybe I am wrong though.

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19-04-2010, 05:53 PM
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i know when i was in agriculture and the estate i was working at they gave notice of visits !!!!!! . so the estate manager gave the orders to hitch the dodgy equipment up and drive and hide in the woods out of the way !!!!! . we always passed there inspections with flying colours
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19-04-2010, 07:49 PM
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even with the best will in the world... they probably won\'t know what they\'re looking at when they come out anyway, so as long as everything is put away nice and tidy etc.. you should be fine :-)

last time they came out and inspected my factory, they were more worried about labelling the taps in the tearoom HOT and COLD then the giant 50hp mincers that could easily mince through a body in about 5 seconds...
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19-04-2010, 08:09 PM
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i believe stumpy had them round at his place
i wont say what i think about such departments though

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19-04-2010, 09:02 PM
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Quote:Originally posted by knighty
even with the best will in the world... they probably won\'t know what they\'re looking at when they come out anyway, so as long as everything is put away nice and tidy etc.. you should be fine :-)

last time they came out and inspected my factory, they were more worried about labelling the taps in the tearoom HOT and COLD then the giant 50hp mincers that could easily mince through a body in about 5 seconds...
That all depends on who it is from HSE that comes around. If it is just a local inspector then he may be more interested in Hot and Cold tap markings.
However if they are from the HID (Hazardous installations directorate) then there are some very switched on guys who know exactly how Biodiesel is made and exactly how homebrew is made.
We have had quite a few discussions with them over the last few years on various projects and they do know what they are talking about, I think they have seen quite a few examples of what not to do by now.
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19-04-2010, 09:25 PM
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Not liking the sound of this.....How did they get your number and why are they visiting a domestic producer? Did a nieghbour rat you out?

How much power does this dept have, can they stop you making bio? If legislation is ever passed that methanol cannot be stored at a residential address then we\'re all done for.

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19-04-2010, 09:34 PM
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HSE are only for commercial set ups, and after a lifetime of employing people and having the public visit my premises, I found out later in life that what you do to yourself is not their concern. So you need to be making and or selling it commercially, and or employing people to get a legit visit. If you work for yourself you dont come under them, unless your premises are open to the public, or thats how its been till recently.

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19-04-2010, 09:50 PM
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Quote:Originally posted by e3msb
HSE are only for commercial set ups, and after a lifetime of employing people and having the public visit my premises, I found out later in life that what you do to yourself is not their concern. So you need to be making and or selling it commercially, and or employing people to get a legit visit. If you work for yourself you dont come under them, unless your premises are open to the public, or thats how its been till recently.
Mostly true, they are interested in \"any\" workplace not just one open to the public or where there are employees.

But then in this case it may be a nosey neighbour who has called them (rather than any other agency) and said \"there is a guy next door running a business from home making fuel using flammable chemicals\" and they may well be interested. It will only be after they have made an initial enquiry that they will probably walk away. If there is anything unsafe or illegal going on they will pass it on to the relevant authority.

As Steve says, if you are not a business or some form of employer then you would not fall under the HSE.

However be careful if there is any business, however small or insignificant, run from the same address as that probably gives them a legitimate reason to be there no matter what the business is.
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19-04-2010, 11:15 PM
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I\'ve worked with HSE alot over the last 14 years. The above posts are true; the 1974 HASAWA applies to employers only.
Their website does make comment on domestic production of bio and advises against it; they don\'t like it ...but their statute leaves them powerless here.
HID - quite right, specialists. Local inspectors are generalists covering a wide remit of stuff, not unlike trading standards.
Their regional nature means they do not work in a joined up way. And the good uns soon move to a better job internally, or in HID\'s case externally, Oil / Nuclear.

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