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![[*]](./images/onepoint9/default_icon.gif) posted on 12-2-2008 at 08:56 PM |
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GL reactor build
I've started building my GL reactor and I just wanted to start a thread for pics that I will post and question that I'll have! First question
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The hot water tank goes upside down and then you have a pipe coming out of the top (previously the bottom) to take off the methanol fumes and pass
them through the condensor. My tank does not have a hole in the top (previously bottom) of it, I pressume I just drill one and then solder the copper
pipe onto it??
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| posted on 12-2-2008 at 09:02 PM |
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There should be a takeoff on the side, one at each side in fact when you turn it upside down.
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| posted on 12-2-2008 at 09:45 PM |
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you do need to add this one. there are various methods, but if you can solder thats best.[IMG]
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff313/e3steve/Processor01-1.jpg[/IMG]
[Edited on 12/2/2008 by e3msb]
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| posted on 12-2-2008 at 09:59 PM |
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Hi Dave
This pic may help explain it...
When I fitted the tank connector, and secured it in place with its nut, I soldered it all in place, so no chance of it working loose.
Steve, that photobucket pic you mentioned looked really rough then ... you should see it now!
Still going strong, though ...
[Edited on 12-2-2008 by GrahamLaming]
[Edited on 12-2-2008 by GrahamLaming]
[Edited on 12-2-2008 by GrahamLaming]
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| posted on 12-2-2008 at 11:17 PM |
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Thanks guys, that makes sense! Keep an eye on this thread over the next week or 2, I'll be needing some more hand holding I'm sure.... 
Dave
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| posted on 12-2-2008 at 11:50 PM |
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Graham, I see from the colour change that you have soldered - did it not affect or melt the insulation foam?
Mike
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Where can I get a non return valve for the reactor?
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| posted on 13-2-2008 at 04:06 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by davey_b
Where can I get a non return valve for the reactor? |
ebay is usually a best bet ....
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Double-Check-Non-Return-Valves_W0QQitemZ110223287934QQi...
for instance
one quick question just to hijack your thread
what pipes are u using 22mm on and what 15mm ?
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seems a good buy
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/10-x-CHECK-VALVE-15mm-NON-RETURN-VALVES-BRASS_W0QQitemZ...
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has anyone used poly pipe instead of copper for reactor
what are pros/cons cant see heat being an issue what about methanol deterioration ?
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the ones on ebay are really fo mains water suppl and are double check valves. thet take a bit of pressure to open them. try your local plumbing
supplies or BES have them in 22mm compression, no.8150, single brass check valve. page 99. but why do you need this?
http://www.bes.co.uk/
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Use BES for your fittings etc, e-bay is expensive, mike
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| Quote: | Originally posted by GrahamLaming
Hi Dave
This pic may help explain it...
I am confused. On th "GL" diagran the take off on the top of the tank goes straight into the condensor. This pic seems to show something insulated and
another plastic pipe together with the main pipe dissapearing off the picture!
Can you explain how this works and where it all goes?!
Thanks
When I fitted the tank connector, and secured it in place with its nut, I soldered it all in place, so no chance of it working loose.
Steve, that photobucket pic you mentioned looked really rough then ... you should see it now!
Still going strong, though ...
[Edited on 12-2-2008 by GrahamLaming]
[Edited on 12-2-2008 by GrahamLaming]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by e3msb
the ones on ebay are really fo mains water suppl and are double check valves. thet take a bit of pressure to open them. try your local plumbing
supplies or BES have them in 22mm compression, no.8150, single brass check valve. page 99. but why do you need this?
http://www.bes.co.uk/ |
Need it for the pipe that come from the methoxide tank to the venturi
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I am confused. On th "GL" diagran the take off on the top of the tank goes straight into the condensor. This pic seems to show something insulated and
another plastic pipe together with the main pipe dissapearing off the picture!
Can you explain how this works and where it all goes?!
Thanks
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| posted on 13-2-2008 at 11:49 AM |
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maybe it is just to show the tank connector in place. the pipe does go to the vent and to the condensor,as shown on the pic I posted further up of
Grahams processor, that he now seems embarrased about. Graham , can you give me an up to date one as I do tend to refer folk to this quite a lot.
cheers.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by davey_b
Where can I get a non return valve for the reactor? |
If you got a tool station near you get one from there,
cost me like 2 quid the other day for one
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Could someone post a clear pic of the pipework layout on top of the reactor. I am having trouble relating the diagram here in "my preferred layout" to
peoples actual pipework.
http://www.graham-laming.com/bd/ecosystem/state_diagram_new.htm
It looks to me in the diagram like the condensor is connected in the top of the tank but the venturi and vent are on the outside, in front of the
tank?
Please stop me doing something stupid with a blowlamp and solder....
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from the newly soldered joint, take the pipe up ane across to the condensor , putting the outside vent either at that junction above the condensor or
you can put it after the venturi either, just so long as you have one. then use the hot water outlet that is now about 2" from the top for the venturi
/oil in. forget the pic above, its just confusing things. the diagram of Grahams you are referring to shows a constant loop for the methanol and is a
bit complicated. you would do better to stick with the basic one
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You say you want to put a non-return valve between the meths tank and veturi, if you are pulling the methes into the tank through the venturi there
wont be enough suction to open the non-return valve let alone pull in the methes
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Graham, may we have your comments about this vent, NRV etc to clear things up please. I am building my processor to your plans published on your
website. Mike
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I'm also building a GL processor following the GL website.
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| posted on 13-2-2008 at 07:22 PM |
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I have recently finished my GL processor... had 3 x 80 litre batches of bio out of it.
As stated by others, ignore that pic above - I believe Graham posted that purely to show the finished tank connector installation. This connector is
connected directly into the top of the condensor only.
The bottom of the condensor drains into the collection vessel, as well as connecting to the venturi, meth carboy vent and vent to outside.
If you are sucking in the methoxide using a venturi positioned at the top, above the fluid level, then there is no need for a NRV - I don't have one.
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non return valves are totally unnecessary, and as stated by jim, they take a bit of power to even open them. when the venturi has done its job the bit
of methoxide in the tube will just fall back into the container, but there wont be much.
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| posted on 13-2-2008 at 07:35 PM |
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Many tnks guys for that, i will leave the NRV out, Mike
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