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SVO Tax Conference - Wolverhampton Novotel, Saturday December 10th, 2005.
Very Important
ADDRESSING THE TAXATION ISSUES...
Are you having any difficulty with HM Customs & Excise?
Are you being told that you must pay the full duty rate of 47.1 p on your bio-fuel or vegetable oil when used as a fuel?
Are you being required to submit unreasonable technical analysis to prove that your fuel meets the criteria for the bio-diesel tax break?
Don't despair, come to this conference and help us form a new Association to fight back against the illegal ways the government seems intent to erode
our right to save the future of our planet - our way.
We are thinking of naming the association the "Straight Vegetable Oil Association" SVOA, we can see also that being a member of this association could
bring MANY other benefits. The name is not yet set in stone, if you can think of a more appropriate name or have any other comments please e-mail
svoconference@dieselveg.com, thanks for your support.
For more info go to http://www.dieselveg.com
This event is being organised by ...
Nick Hicken & Clive Leadbetter#
Dieselveg Ltd
Unit 7A Monmore Business Park,
Dixon Street, Wolverhampton
WV2 2BT
01902 450001
John Nicholson
Bio-power UK Ltd
Tanrallt, Rhostryfan,
Caernarfon, Gwynedd
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01286 830312 01902 450001
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Too slow! 
Also, beware any bloke who has his own agenda as to biofuels, IE, he doesn't like folks being able to use SVO as it's bad for business......
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| posted on 12-10-2005 at 11:38 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sb118
Too slow!
Also, beware any bloke who has his own agenda as to biofuels, IE, he doesn't like folks being able to use SVO as it's bad for business......
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Hey he is also a good talker and as a large group we can achieve the goal, he is also coming round to the idea that its all bio-fuels or none other
than transesterified that will qualify, he needs us as much, dont take your eyes off the ball we need this conference and we need to put our
government right on a few issues.
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Hmmm....worth a thought, but I must confess I am less than keen on JN. Maybe I should meet him myself before I pass judgement.....
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On one hand there needs to be something done, so almost anything is a step in the right direction, on the other hand has a seller of snake oil ever
cured anything?
It does feel rather like someone may just have discovered his brew attracts 47.1p/litre.
Being an optimist, I would hope any group of people who get off their arse to go there might manage something, as currently in here the same
arguments are reiterating without direction.
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| posted on 13-10-2005 at 07:32 AM |
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I am very sorry to say (and I would love to be proved wrong) that I distrust anything that JN has his finger in.
Something needs to be done and I agree in principal with the conference but ......... Well I've stated my opinions before.
Phil
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Don't forget even supermarket SVO + Higher rate will be cheaper than buying Bio-power fuel. BP fuel is set at ULSD prices. Even at higher rate it is
5p cheaper here, perhaps more where you are.
405
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Which is exactly why he doesn't want people getting the lower duty rate SVO!!
Not, I would sugest, an ideal champion of our cause.
Phil
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| posted on 13-10-2005 at 12:08 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 405onveg
Don't forget even supermarket SVO + Higher rate will be cheaper than buying Bio-power fuel. BP fuel is set at ULSD prices. Even at higher rate it is
5p cheaper here, perhaps more where you are.
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To be fair I contacted two of his franchisees and they offered 75p and 80p per litre roughly 6 weeks ago. So if the price still holds then you would
need to get supermarket SVO for under 28p per litre to beat it.
One guy asked me my car, engine and pump type, and I told him I was only inquiring as I had not bought a suitable car yet, but he did seem fairly
helpfull. The other guy just offered a price. So - an extra 5p per litre for good service
However, there is an element of trust in these things, and to pour an unknown entity into your car from a name you were sent in an email from an
internet ad, fails to leave me feeling comfortable when its likely to be me paying any repair bills.
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OK - so how many from here envisage going?
Will we sit in a group?
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Is anyone staying in the hotel, or a nearby hotel?
I also think it might be a good idea for the members here to have a meeting ourselves prior to the main one.
Has anyone else any opinions?
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| posted on 22-10-2005 at 02:08 PM |
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Chip, I'm planning to get down. It's about 400 miles from me so I'll be traveling down the day before and staying near by.
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| posted on 24-10-2005 at 02:48 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dieselveg
Very Important
ADDRESSING THE TAXATION ISSUES...
Are you having any difficulty with HM Customs & Excise?
Are you being told that you must pay the full duty rate of 47.1 p on your bio-fuel or vegetable oil when used as a fuel?
Are you being required to submit unreasonable technical analysis to prove that your fuel meets the criteria for the bio-diesel tax break?
Don't despair, come to this conference and help us form a new Association to fight back against the illegal ways the government seems intent to erode
our right to save the future of our planet - our way.
We are thinking of naming the association the "Straight Vegetable Oil Association" SVOA, we can see also that being a member of this association could
bring MANY other benefits. The name is not yet set in stone, if you can think of a more appropriate name or have any other comments please e-mail
svoconference@dieselveg.com, thanks for your support.
For more info go to http://www.dieselveg.com
This event is being organised by ...
Nick Hicken & Clive Leadbetter#
Dieselveg Ltd
Unit 7A Monmore Business Park,
Dixon Street, Wolverhampton
WV2 2BT
01902 450001
John Nicholson
Bio-power UK Ltd
Tanrallt, Rhostryfan,
Caernarfon, Gwynedd
LL54 7NT
01286 830312 01902 450001 |
How many people can the conference accommodate?
Have C & E been invited to speak?
I feel it fair to give them the chance to be accountable for their decisions. Either way it works to our benefit.
If they go we get questions answered.
If they dont they look bad for failing to serve.
But lets be honest, they wont go, but we look better for asking them.
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the venue is for 100 people, and HMRC have not been invited.
From what I understand the biopower agm is a seperate thing but I don't know if any of them will attend the conference.
Nick can probably tell us more when he has talked with JN
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dieselveg
Very Important
ADDRESSING THE TAXATION ISSUES...
Are you having any difficulty with HM Customs & Excise?
Are you being told that you must pay the full duty rate of 47.1 p on your bio-fuel or vegetable oil when used as a fuel?
Are you being required to submit unreasonable technical analysis to prove that your fuel meets the criteria for the bio-diesel tax break?
Don't despair, come to this conference and help us form a new Association to fight back against the illegal ways the government seems intent to erode
our right to save the future of our planet - our way.
We are thinking of naming the association the "Straight Vegetable Oil Association" SVOA, we can see also that being a member of this association could
bring MANY other benefits. The name is not yet set in stone, if you can think of a more appropriate name or have any other comments please e-mail
svoconference@dieselveg.com, thanks for your support.
For more info go to http://www.dieselveg.com
This event is being organised by ...
Nick Hicken & Clive Leadbetter#
Dieselveg Ltd
Unit 7A Monmore Business Park,
Dixon Street, Wolverhampton
WV2 2BT
01902 450001
John Nicholson
Bio-power UK Ltd
Tanrallt, Rhostryfan,
Caernarfon, Gwynedd
LL54 7NT
01286 830312 01902 450001 |
On the SVO conference webpage is says.........
We do support the position of the government in the requirement that food quality vegetable oils as purchased from
the supermarket shelf should not be used as a road fuel in any circumstances
This raises a few questions......
!. Where does the supported "government position" come from?
2. How can an SVO conference not be in favour of its main use as a fuel?
3. Is an organisation supporting that premise suitable to forward the interests of SVO use?
4. Where do you get non food SVO in bulk?
But sadly no one else has yet got off their arse to do anything collectively- but why are there so few places if there are so many bio-power
members?
I still feel like going - but i think for the purpose of a gathering of people with similar purpose - rather than supporting part of the organisers
views/interests.
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We do support the position of the government in the requirement that food quality vegetable oils as purchased from the supermarket shelf should not be
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This is what concerns me about this conference.
I really would not want it seen to be representative of the whole SVO/WVO movement when it could just end up being a mouthpiece for Nicholson and his
cronies who, not for the first time I think, are going to be more interested in serving their own business needs than the whole comunity.
I can see no problem with the use of food grade oil. If oil is being pressed in a plant capable of making food grade oil it will be no cheaper to
make it non-food grade. My understanding was that the non-food grade was from the begining and ends of runs and from change overs between crop types.
Grow more, press more and food grade or not no one is being deprived, in fact agriculture is benefiting.
I have never been able to find out where to get non-food grade oil - Call me cynical but could it be that Nicholson has got that supply nicely sown
up, hence his desire for us not to be able to use sources from elsewhere.
the other point being - Where does the government say that food grade oil shouldn't be used as road fuel? I don't think they have. There are
probably minutes of some advisory group somewhere that have said it - and I'd hazard a guess at the source of the advice!!
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I once was involved in buying tankers full of industrial grade rapeseed and remember it being pretty waxey due to not being winterized. It was also
pretty expensive but i dont remeber the exact price.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by philgregson
I can see no problem with the use of food grade oil. If oil is being pressed in a plant capable of making food grade oil it will be no cheaper to
make it non-food grade. My understanding was that the non-food grade was from the begining and ends of runs and from change overs between crop types.
Grow more, press more and food grade or not no one is being deprived, in fact agriculture is benefiting.
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Clearly it is wrong for people to eat this "diesel quality" stuff.
It just makes them fat and gives them heart attacks and cancer.
We are performing a public service in removing this from the dinner plates of the nation!!!
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The Nicholson aspect of "we support the government blah blah blah no SVO" keeps worrying me about this conference.
How can you organise a conference where on principle you object to the main issue.
Would anyone here be interested in trying to organise something on our own - or in conjunction with others who were actually interested and in favour
of the use of SVO, or forming some form of action group?
I feel currently our efforts are too individual and disjointed.
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However, I gather the people from Dieselveg, who are co-organisers of the conference, do not support the Nicolson view that food grade SVO should be
used. Could be interesting...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Derk
However, I gather the people from Dieselveg, who are co-organisers of the conference, do not support the Nicolson view that food grade SVO should be
used. Could be interesting... |
JN and dieselveg - pistols at dawn
Lets hope they shoot the bastards at C&E!
Seriously though - i really feel in two minds about this.
They have put the effort in so need applauded for that - but on the other hand with half being effectively against the main issue, its difficult to
not feel there is a conflict of interests.
It would be good if another group could be formed as they state - but the "against they use of SVO" ones should take a back seat.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CHIP
... It would be good if another group could be formed as they state - but the "against they use of SVO" ones should take a back seat.
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The "against the use of SVO" shouldn't even bother coming!
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I too, as I have stated numerous times, am very concerned about this meeting. I've thought myself that ther emight be some value in setting up an SVO
user/lobby group to get some weight behind a campaign. The only problem is it might work the wrong way and make us seem more disjointed and make
things harder - HMRC would just love to see us fighting amongst ourselves rather than fighting against them.
This would be alot easier If I was convinced that Mr N. was not organising this conference to push his own agenda - standing behind him might also
leave us out in the cold.
I really don't know what is best.
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Suggestions for an alternate meeting (click here)......
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