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![[*]](./images/onepoint9/default_icon.gif) posted on 10-7-2007 at 06:42 PM |
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Allied Biodiesel Industries (UK)
Should we not join this lot?
Allied Biodiesel Industries (UK)
The Trade Association Representing the British Biodiesel Industry
Terry De Wynne runs this one I think. Are you out there Terry?
Terry and I think Steven Whitecker were the first on the commercial small scale biodiesel scene.
http://www.biofuels.fsnet.co.uk/biobiz.htm
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I believe Terry is a member here, but doesn't call in often....
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| posted on 10-7-2007 at 07:05 PM |
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Looks to me like the BBSA's first course of action is very close to what the ABI (UK) do: A voluntary code of stringent quality control procedures
ensure that the fuel is to the highest standard possible, suitable for use in any diesel engine fitted to current production vehicles.
No obvious way of joining contributing or enquiring though. Those stringent quality control procedures are noticable by their absence. It has got to
be worth seeing if their quality control procedures can be adopted and developed by the BBSA if suitable. Voluntary code never gives me a warm
feeling.
Terry De Wynne may be happy to see the BBSA take up what he seems to have let lapse.
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| posted on 10-7-2007 at 07:19 PM |
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BABFO?
[Deleted this sentence as likely to be wrong]
The BBSA may need to be careful if there are biofuel associations around that may exist only to create the appearance of a consumer protection
organisation but really promote a business.
Everything I have seen of the BBSA so far looks like it is going in the right direction. Slabster made me think are there any others? What are they
upto?
[Edited on 12-7-2007 by Vegit8]
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| posted on 10-7-2007 at 07:48 PM |
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BABFO was run by Peter Clery who was one of the organisers/ charmen of last years Biodiesel conference in Newark.
I seem to remember that BABFO was swallowed up by the renewable energy association back in 2005 http://www.r-p-a.org.uk/article_default_view.fcm?articleid=1339&subsite=1 Ths is where a lot of the bigger players are members
such as ADM, Argent Energy, Biofuels Corporation (what is left of them) etc. etc.
[Edited on 10-7-2007 by fuzznag]
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| posted on 10-7-2007 at 09:37 PM |
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I believe they are industry related and not much use to homebrewers and I don't have any time for them.
I had a reply from the Babfo chairman a year or two back, name escapes me, all I asked was,
what was Babfo's opinion of HMRC's stance on the svo/wvo duty change?
and he said,
Why didn't you raise this issue in the 2002 consultation if you are so concerned? many of us worked hard to get the 20p duty break at the time.
I said
I wasn't into biofuels back then was my reply, I didn't come on the scene until after the duty rates had first been set!
I never heard any more from him, but sometime later Peter Cleary answered my original enquiry but I couldn't be arsed with them by then.
they are some of the only people I have contacted in the biofuels world who haven't gone out of their way to be helpful!
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| posted on 10-7-2007 at 11:14 PM |
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well said the only way as it is
In the interests of health and safety and fair trading practices, please do not advertise or promote machinery that is likely to be unsafe to use.
Most small scale biodiesel processors, especially the market leaders, fall into this category as it is normally uneconomical to use the appropriate
pumps, mixers and construction materials. As a guide, all processors based on plastic tanks are likely to be illegal in the EU. Please read the
section \'how to buy a small scale processor\' on the Twyn Tub 100 page for further information.
Apart from negligence with respect to health and safety being a criminal offence, it is not morally or even perhaps legally acceptable to promote
negligent and therefore illegal machinery. The manufacturers and distributers of such machinery are liable to imprisonment if someone has an accident
and the more of such machinery that is produced, the more likely that accidents will happen. The owner of this forum does not want to be part of the
chain of events leading to such an accident and, in addition, feels that it is spoiling the chances of genuine equipment suppliers to help promote
illegal machines.
Small scale biodiesel processors are especially difficult to design within the legal boundaries and people wanting to promote these products must
prove that they comply to the regulations before they promote them on these pages, either actively or by implied means. As an open discussion forum,
please feel free to talk about the safety features of your or anybody else’s products or proposed products, but not in wording that tries to promote
the product or offer it for sale until it has been approved. Approval will, in the short term, be my responsibility until such time as an authority
such as the BBSA can take over this responsibility in an impartial manner.
As the forum owner and designer of safe products I do not claim to be impartial and fully admit that I am protecting my own interests in terms of fair
trade. Posts promoting small scale biodiesel processors for sale will be removed unless they have been formally approved.
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fuzznag
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| posted on 11-7-2007 at 10:13 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Chug
I believe they are industry related and not much use to homebrewers and I don't have any time for them.
I had a reply from the Babfo chairman a year or two back, name escapes me, all I asked was,
what was Babfo's opinion of HMRC's stance on the svo/wvo duty change?
and he said,
Why didn't you raise this issue in the 2002 consultation if you are so concerned? many of us worked hard to get the 20p duty break at the time.
I said
I wasn't into biofuels back then was my reply, I didn't come on the scene until after the duty rates had first been set!
I never heard any more from him, but sometime later Peter Cleary answered my original enquiry but I couldn't be arsed with them by then.
they are some of the only people I have contacted in the biofuels world who haven't gone out of their way to be helpful!
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The Renewable Energy Association is even more "elitist" than BABFO used to be.
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| posted on 12-7-2007 at 12:16 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Vegit8
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From looking on a Google search, it seems greenfuels have taken over a domain name, not BABFO
[Edited on 11-7-2007 by andy5]
[Edited on 12-7-2007 by andy5]
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| posted on 12-7-2007 at 08:56 AM |
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Thanks andy5 I'll edit the earlier post so as not to cause any misunderstanding.
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| posted on 12-7-2007 at 05:47 PM |
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Should we let them join us ? << cheeky smile on face.
[Edited on 12-7-07 by Perfo]
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| posted on 28-7-2010 at 03:35 AM |
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HI,
Small scale biodiesel processors are especially difficult to design within the legal boundaries and people wanting to promote these products must
prove that they comply to the regulations before they promote them on these pages, either actively or by implied means. As an open discussion forum,
please feel free to talk about the safety features of your or anybody else’s products or proposed products, but not in wording that tries to promote
the product or offer it for sale until it has been approved. Approval will, in the short term, be my responsibility until such time as an authority
such as the BBSA can take over this responsibility in an impartial manner.
[url=http://www.sterling....energy.com]Power--SPAM-- Plant Developers[url]
[Edited on 28-7-2010 by High Compression II]
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| posted on 28-7-2010 at 08:46 AM |
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Thanks for your comment, Angelina. Please would you care to elaborate?
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line, 10% petrol in Winter. Plate heat exchanger. Runs perfect. 50,000 miles so far. In vehicle wood powered interior heating system. Solar/veg oil
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fuzznag
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| posted on 28-7-2010 at 09:38 AM |
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I am guessing it is simply someone wanting to give their web site a push. Can't really understand why anyone would make such a comment | Quote: | Approval will, in the
short term, be my responsibility until such time as an authority such as the BBSA can take over this responsibility in an impartial manner.
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and then put a link to a California consulting company at the bopttom of the post.
It is certainly not likely that a single person would ever be responsible for approval of "small scale processors" and what people discuss in an open
forum is pretty much their business (and Paddy's as owner)
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| posted on 28-7-2010 at 09:40 AM |
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I agree totally, and if there ever waqs such a thing then it woul,d be public knowledge LONG before it became fact.
I'm guessing she or he is just trying to push their website and nothing else.
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| posted on 28-7-2010 at 10:13 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by angelina
HI,
Small scale biodiesel processors are especially difficult to design within the legal boundaries and people wanting to promote these products must
prove that they comply to the regulations before they promote them on these pages, either actively or by implied means. As an open discussion forum,
please feel free to talk about the safety features of your or anybody else’s products or proposed products, but not in wording that tries to promote
the product or offer it for sale until it has been approved. Approval will, in the short term, be my responsibility until such time as an authority
such as the BBSA can take over this responsibility in an impartial manner.
[url=http://www.sterling-energy.com]Power Plant Developers[url] |
And what exactly is Angelina going to do if forum members don't take heed. 
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High Compression II
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| posted on 28-7-2010 at 12:03 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 1958steveflying
| Quote: | Originally posted by angelina
HI,
Small scale biodiesel processors are especially difficult to design within the legal boundaries and people wanting to promote these products must
prove that they comply to the regulations before they promote them on these pages, either actively or by implied means. As an open discussion forum,
please feel free to talk about the safety features of your or anybody else’s products or proposed products, but not in wording that tries to promote
the product or offer it for sale until it has been approved. Approval will, in the short term, be my responsibility until such time as an authority
such as the BBSA can take over this responsibility in an impartial manner.
[url=http://www.sterling-energy.com]Power Plant Developers[url] |
And what exactly is Angelina going to do if forum members don't take heed. |
She'll come round your house, and stamp on all your toys!
--Nowt else she can do!
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"The 21st Century is when it all changes....
--And you've got to be ready...."
BEWARE OF CVS COMMODITIES OR ANYONE CALLED VERNON SCHOFIELD OR STEVE SMITH, TRADING OIL --pm me for reasons why...
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only mechanisms built by bunglers require testing.
Properly-built machines work properly." --E.E. 'Doc' Smith.
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Cost-a-plenty, Guzzles BioDiesel extravagantly, and I love it like an old dog....
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| posted on 28-7-2010 at 12:07 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by angelina
HI,
Small scale biodiesel processors are especially difficult to design within the legal boundaries and people wanting to promote these products must
prove that they comply to the regulations before they promote them on these pages, either actively or by implied means. As an open discussion forum,
please feel free to talk about the safety features of your or anybody else’s products or proposed products, but not in wording that tries to promote
the product or offer it for sale until it has been approved. Approval will, in the short term, be my responsibility until such time as an authority
such as the BBSA can take over this responsibility in an impartial manner.
[url=http://www.sterling....energy.com]Power--SPAM-- Plant
Developers[url]
[Edited on 28-7-2010 by High Compression II] |
I'm fairly new to this forum. I find its strength is based on the freedom of members to speak their minds but in a polite, respectful and thoughtful
way. There are members who are involved professionally in the business. It's rare to see them pushing their own products.
For what its worth, I feel the more independant the forum can stay thwe better.
Oh, yes, can someone translate Angelinas post for me?
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fuzznag
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| posted on 28-7-2010 at 01:05 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by GreezySpn
Oh, yes, can someone translate Angelinas post for me? |
Its an ADVERT for the web site at the bottom.
A group of expensive consutants in California USA
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| posted on 28-7-2010 at 01:20 PM |
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And there was me thinking we could ask James or Graham to design a processor 'within legal limits' thats one that only made 2500 ltrs per
year.:
Is my friend Al Simer in the house?
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