forest oak
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![[*]](./images/onepoint9/default_icon.gif) posted on 1-9-2010 at 08:33 PM |
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business tax on biodiesel
If I have a business, and say I want to run 6 of my vans on biodiesel does it come out of my 2500 litre limit or can it be split between the drivers
of the vans and take it out of their allowance?
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| posted on 1-9-2010 at 08:41 PM |
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It's per premises rather than per person I'm afraid!
If each of your drivers made bio at home then you could do that, but not from the same site.
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| posted on 1-9-2010 at 10:06 PM |
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So the limit of 2500 litres is per premises is it? hmmm. What counts as a premises, the size of the land or the building thats on it? if you have
several small buildings on a plot of land (maybe lots of outbuildings) could you increase your allowance by putting a refinery in each?
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| posted on 1-9-2010 at 10:24 PM |
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I think you'd have to ask HMRC directly for an answer to that one.
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| posted on 1-9-2010 at 10:30 PM |
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its complicated, its an allowence for small producers. so even if you make it over 2 or more sites/processors you will not be considered as a small
producer and will have to pay the duty.
see hmrc 179E for full details
http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_...
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forest oak
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| posted on 2-9-2010 at 09:22 PM |
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its not really very clear is it? does anyone know if several people can make their bio allowance on the same refinery? Say for instance several people
sharing the same equipment?
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| posted on 2-9-2010 at 09:41 PM |
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This has been talked about before and the HMRC asked about it.
The answer was No I'm afraid. 179E, is quite clear and the 'De-Minimis' are intended for 'Home-Production' NOT Business Use.
You Cannot 'Share' a Processor between addresses, nor can you have multiple users/makers at the same address/premises.
The 2K5 is NOT AN ALLOWENCE, its a De-Minimis Limit--This is IMPORTANT!
--You're a business, therefore, by rights you'll also need a PPC (E.P.) Permit from E.A. to operate a Chemical Installation.
--DONT go there, It'll cost you around 20 grand all in-maybe more-, what with alterations to your premises etc......
My advice?--Keep your trap-shut, make the stuff, Make Entry and Declare what you use to HMRC, pay the Duty and count yourself lucky!
--There's NO way round this. Been there, Tried That!
--They can audit you At Any Time Without Warning, they can enter your property without warrants and estimate the amount of fuel you have made, by your
Methanol and Oil purchases and IF you ain't declared a sensible amount--Being you're a business--I'll bet it'll be prison for you--HMRC aint like the
VATman, They are a thousand times WORSE--IF you upset em, Watch Out....
www.doctordiesel.co.uk
"The 21st Century is when it all changes....
--And you've got to be ready...."
BEWARE OF CVS COMMODITIES OR ANYONE CALLED VERNON SCHOFIELD OR STEVE SMITH, TRADING OIL --pm me for reasons why...
"As for testing, know now that
only mechanisms built by bunglers require testing.
Properly-built machines work properly." --E.E. 'Doc' Smith.
Mercedes-Benz W123 300TD Berlin Taxi Beige, 1985, 258K miles total, 2500 miles on 100% BioDiesel so far,
Cost-a-plenty, Guzzles BioDiesel extravagantly, and I love it like an old dog.... 
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| posted on 3-9-2010 at 11:44 AM |
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if you are not selling it, then you may get away with just registering with HMRC, and paying the duty, but then if the Enviro lot come round, they
will know how much you are making, and whether you will have to have all the permits etc. Stock levels for bio would have to be kept low, and
oil/glycerol storage kept to under 5000lts on a waste management excemption, which is free by the way. You would have to make small batches, and only
have enough methanol on the premies for one batch at a time, but it could be made to work, and you could be making fuel for just over 40p ltr with
everything paid.
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forest oak
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| posted on 3-9-2010 at 08:14 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by e3msb
if you are not selling it, then you may get away with just registering with HMRC, and paying the duty, but then if the Enviro lot come round, they
will know how much you are making, and whether you will have to have all the permits etc. Stock levels for bio would have to be kept low, and
oil/glycerol storage kept to under 5000lts on a waste management excemption, which is free by the way. You would have to make small batches, and only
have enough methanol on the premies for one batch at a time, but it could be made to work, and you could be making fuel for just over 40p ltr with
everything paid. |
could you explain how you got to the 40p a ltr. thanks.
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